Dorothy Online Newsletter

NOVANEWS

Dear Friends,

After a month of Jewish holidays (meaning–for spouse and myself– cooking, shopping, family meals, and the like) are over –well, at least for us.  Technically they end only next week.  But for me it’s back-to-work time.  Hopefully my computer will not crash (it has been giving me unfavorable signals), and we can get back to the mundane and not pleasant news and ideas about what is happening in Israel-Palestine.

 

Below are 8 items, one of them a brief video (item 7). 

 

Item 1 is a real boomer!  I hadn’t seen it on the Israeli media news when I checked out contents earlier in the day, so was enormously surprised to learn from the LA Times that Israel is planning another housing development in the Jerusalem area.  Not that this should surprise any of us!  After all, we know that Netanyahu is going whole hog after all of Jerusalem and the greater Israel!  Nevertheless, for some reason or other I did not expect such news today.  Of course, according to the article, it might take 2 years before the project begins.  And who knows what things will be like then.  Nevertheless, one thing is for sure, this act clearly indicates (as so many others also do) that this government has no intentions of allowing the emergence of a Palestinian state.

 

Items 2, 3, and 4 all deal with the prisoner exchange.  In item 2 are a few brief letters from the Guardian on the subject, most of which object to the media focusing on Shalit while ignoring the Palestinian prisoners.  Fisk in item 3 reminds us that this exchange is not the first that Israel has engaged in.  In item 4 a Palestinian expresses a mixture of feelings about the release of Palestinian prisoners. 

 

In item 5 Haider Eid takes up the subject of the declaration of Palestinian state, and sees it as resulting in the declaration of a Bantustan Palestine.  From everything happening on the ground, it would be surprising if land remained for even that.

 

Avraham Burg in item 6 suggests a solution: one democratic state for all.  Actually, I’ve not decided whether Burg wants that so much or whether he prefers 2 states but warns that if these will not emerge then our fate is one state—may it happen!

 

Item 7 is a brief video, about 8 minutes, that I hope that you will watch.  It also supports a single democratic state.

 

Item 8 is the ‘Today in Palestine’ compilation.  One positive item: in the bds section—200 Swedish academics call for a boycott on Israeli academic institutions.  For the rest, most of the news, being of actual events rather than opinion, is not so pleasant.  But please do read at least the summaries.

 

All the best,

Dorothy

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1.  LA Times

Friday, October 14, 2011

 

Israel unveils new housing project on disputed Jerusalem land

 

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2011/10/israel-palestinians-jerusalem-settlement-givat-hamatos.html

 

REPORTING FROM JERUSALEM — Israel is moving forward with another massive housing project on territory it seized during the 1967 Mideast war, unveiling plans to build 2,610 units in what critics say would be the first entirely new development on disputed Jerusalem land in 14 years.

 

Plans for the project, to be called Givat Hamatos, would expand the footprint of Jewish housing development into new areas, nearly cutting off access between Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem and other parts of the West Bank. If built, the project would make it harder to create a Palestinian state with contiguous borders and a capital in East Jerusalem, opponents say.

 

“This one is really bad,” said Hagit Ofran of Peace Now, an Israeli anti-settlement group. “This would block the potential of a two-state solution.”

 

The project would isolate the Palestinian communities of Beit Safafa and Shurafat from the West Bank city of Bethlehem. It would be built on land that Israel now considers to be part of southern Jerusalem. Palestinians and the international community never recognized the annexation and view the land as occupied West Bank territory.

 

Palestinian officials said the proposal was a sign that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is not serious about resuming peace talks and is thumbing his nose at the international community, which has repeatedly urged Israel to halt settlement construction.

 

Government officials stressed that the project was still in the early stages of the approval process.

 

“This proposal has been around for years and there has been no decision taken yet, either at the municipal level or the national level,” said Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev.

 

Plans for Givat Hamatos were originally announced in 2008, but were shelved to allow for revisions. On Monday, Jerusalem authorities quietly resubmitted the plans, starting the clock on a 60-day public comment period. If approved, groundbreaking would not be expected to take place for two years.

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2.  Guardian

Thursday 13 October 2011 21.00 BST

 

LettersPerspectives on the Middle East prisoner swap

 

[Most of these brief letters object to the media’s focus on Shalit and neglect of the Palestinian prisoners. D]

 

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/13/middle-east-prisoner-swap

 

 

Once again, it is Israel’s perspective which has primacy in our media (Captured Israeli to be swapped for 1,000 Palestinians, 12 October). Apparently one Israeli prisoner, complete with photograph, personal history and anxious family, is worth a thousand nameless, faceless Palestinians without identities, histories, or grieving families. Where is the coverage of these and the 8,500 other Palestinian prisoners, including 35 women and 337 children, currently rotting in Israeli jails, some of them for over 20 years? Hundreds have been on hunger strike since 27 September against their inhuman treatment at Israel’s hands without international reaction. Palestinians draw from this the lesson that they are still regarded as lesser beings than Israelis. Unless that perception changes, there will be no progress towards a solution.

Dr Ghada Karmi

London

 

 

• So let’s celebrate the release of an “icon”. But what about the nameless Palestinians? Are they mere statistics or just a mob? Netanyahu understands the “pain of Israeli families who have lost loved ones to violence”. One hundred Palestinians lost their lives when Israel launched an attack after Gilad Shalit’s capture. [If the reference is to the Cast Lead attrocity, then 1400 Palestinians lost their lives. Dorothy] Perhaps they were not loved? William Hague reckons Shalit’s captivity was “utterly unjustified”. How else would 1,000 Palestinians have obtained their freedom? When are Palestinians going to get some recognition as people, every bit as important as Israelis?

Professor Colin Lacey

Brighton

 

 

• Ian Black’s analysis (After five years in captivity, Israeli soldier who became an icon is finally to be freed, 12 October) shows how easily – and, ultimately, politically – information can be reinterpreted to obscure rather than clarify events. For example, Black writes: “Shalit’s lonely five-year plight has moved and angered Israelis who, by and large, still accept the burden and risks of compulsory national service … Palestinians face the problem on a far larger scale: they count some 11,000 security prisoners in Israeli jails.”

 

But Shalit was kidnapped – “captured by Palestinian fighters on the Israeli side of the border”. Stating that 11,000 security prisoners are detained by Israel relativises the undisputed fact of Sgt Shalit’s kidnap [soldiers are captured, not kidnapped; Shalit was in a tank when captured, whose 2 other occupants were killed. Dorothy] It would be naive to assume no individuals among those 11,000 cited possess questionable detention status. So why not then draw comparisons between Shalit and those with questionable detention status, with reference to specific cases and individuals?

Dr Mark Polishook

Oadby, Leicestershire

 

 

• With up to 10,000 Palestinians still in Israeli jails, does that mean Hamas has to kidnap a further 10 members of the IDF to secure their release? Justice for the Palestinians is as far away as ever.

John Curtis

Saxmundham, Suffolk

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3.  Independent

Thursday, 13 October 2011

 

 

Democratic governments don’t deal with terrorists – until they do

In three decades, the Israelis have freed 7,000 prisoners in return for 19 Israeli prisoners

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-democratic-governments-dont-deal-with-terrorists-ndash-until-they-do-2369660.html

 

Robert Fisk:

 

Once upon a time, we lived in a world where democratic governments did no deals with “terrorists”. No country promoted this nonsense more than Israel. And no Israeli leader repeated the mantra so often as one B Netanyahu Esq. After all, America never “gave way” to “terrorists”. No deals would ever be done by Britain.

 

Indeed, if France were to release 1,000 prisoners for one French hostage – heaven forbid – Obama, La Clinton and Cameron would be loud in their fury at French cowardice. But yesterday there came not a squeak from Washington or London about Israel’s latest “deal” with its supposedly “terrorist” enemies: 1,027 Palestinians for one Israeli soldier.

 

Of all nations on earth, Israel regularly “gives in” or does “deals” over “terrorist” demands more than any other. A quick trip down memory lane: in 1985, Israel released 1,150 prisoners for three captured Israeli soldiers in Lebanon. In 1998, for the remains of an Israeli soldier killed the previous year, Israel released 65 prisoners and the bodies of 40 dead Hezbollah men. I watched the grim procession of the latter to a south Lebanon village where the bodies reeked so badly that families were sick at the stench as they wept in mourning.

 

In 2004, I watched the arrogant figure of Samir Kantar – convicted of murdering a policeman and an Israeli civilian and his four-year-old daughter – stride across the Lebanese frontier from Israel a free man (along with two tractor loads of Hezbollah bodies, released in return for an Israeli agent lured into Beirut by Hezbollah). He was proclaimed a hero in Lebanon.

 

And so it goes on. In three decades, the Israelis have freed 7,000 prisoners in return for 19 Israeli prisoners and the remains of four dead Israeli soldiers. Quite an exchange rate. Ironically, Israel’s latest “deal” – 1,027 Palestinians for one Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, captured in Gaza in 2006 – suggests that one Israeli life equals 1,300 Palestinian lives; this was almost the exact number of Palestinians killed in Gaza in the 2008-09 invasion when 13 Israelis were killed.

 

Oddly, Israel never explained – and most journalists never asked – why its soldiers simply could not discover where Shalit was held in Gaza. It must have been Israeli military incompetence on a massive scale – unless the missing soldier was taken briefly through the Gaza tunnels to Egypt. Perhaps, when he is released, he will tell us.

 

In the past 30 years, the hostage swaps have been engineered by the International Red Cross, the German intelligence service, the United Nations and now the Egyptians. Hamas, crowing as usual at its “success”, might choose to hold its tongue. Arrangements currently suggest that in return for Shalit they will receive 500 Palestinians now and 527 Palestinians “later”. More than 10 years ago, the UN engineered a similar swap. Half the Lebanese prisoners came home during the hostage swap; then the Israelis decided to keep the other half.

 

The UN’s special negotiator told me personally that when he pointed this out to then-UN Secretary General, the latter said of the remaining prisoners: “Forget them.” No doubt Hamas can be equally as ruthless. Since they are now trying to force journalists and others to obtain “visas” before visiting their Republic of Gaza, we may not know.

 

In any case, it’s a dirty and outrageous business, doing deals with “terrorists”. Do not utter the word hypocrisy. And don’t expect Obama to say a word. After all, the poor man is seeking re-election.

 

 

Like Robert Fisk on The Independent on Facebook for updates

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4.  Forwarded by Mondoweiss http://mondoweiss.net/2011/10/a-mixture-of-feelings-as-prisoners-near-freedom.html

 

[I include the link to the blogspot to famiarize it to those of you unfamilier with it. Dorothy]

 

A mixture of feelings as prisoners near freedom

 

http://palestinefrommyeyes.blogspot.com/

 

Oct 13, 2011

Shahd Abusalama

A very confusing feeling passes through me after hearing about the exchange of 1,027 Palestinian detainees for the only Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, who is held captive by the Palestinian resistance. I don’t know whether to feel happy or sad. Gazing at the faces of the prisoners’ families in the solidarity tent, I see a look that I have never seen before: Eyes glitter with hope. These people have attended every event in solidarity with our detainees, have never given up hope that their freedom is inevitable someday, and have stayed strong during their loved ones’ absence inside Israeli cells. Thinking about those women whose relatives are most likely to be released and seeing their big smiles makes me happy. But at the same time, thinking about the other 5,000 detainees who will steadfastly go on with their resistance in the prisons makes my heart break for them.

 

When I arrived at the tent today, the wife of the prisoner Nafez Herz, who was sentenced to life-long imprisonment and has been jailed for 26 years, shook hands with me and said very excitedly that she had heard that her husband would be freed. Then she said, “But you can’t imagine how much my heart aches for those families whose prisoner will not be released in this exchange deal. All prisoners’ families have become like one big family. We meet weekly, if not daily in the Red Cross, we share our torments, and we understand each other’s suffering.” I grabbed her hands and pressed them while saying, “We will never forget them, and God willing, they will gain their freedom soon.”

 

While I was writing this article among the crowd of people inside the Red Cross, I suddenly heard people chanting and clapping and could see a woman jumping with joy. While on the phone, she said loudly, “My husband is going to be free!” Her husband is Abu Thaer Ghneem, who received a life sentence and spent 22 years in prison. As I watched people celebrating and singing for the freedom of the Palestinian detainees, I met his only son, Thaer. He was hugging his mother tight while giving prayers to God showing their thankfulness. I touch his shoulder, attempting to get his attention. “Congratulations! How do you feel?” I asked him. “I was only one day old when my father was arrested, and now I am 22 years old. I’ve always known that I had a father in prison, but never had him around. Now my father is finally going to be set free and fill his place, which has been empty over the course of 22 years of my life.” His answer was very touching and left me shocked and admiring. While he was talking to me, I sensed how he couldn’t find words to describe his happiness at his father’s freedom.

 

The celebration continued for an hour. Then I return to my former confusion, feeling drowned in a stream of thoughts. 1,027 detainees’ families will celebrate the freedom of their relatives, but what about the fate of the rest of the prisoners?

 

I heard lots of information since last night concerning the names of the soon-to-be-released prisoners, but it was hard to find two sources sharing the same news, especially about Ahmad Sa’adat and Marwan Al-Barghouti and whether they are involved in the exchange deal. I’ve always felt spiritually connected to them, especially Sa’adat, as he is my father’s friend. I can’t handle thinking that he may not be involved in this exchange deal. He has had enough merciless torment inside Israeli solitary confinement for over two and a half years.

 

Let’s not forget those who are still inside the Israeli occupation’s prisons and who are still hunger striking, as this hunger strike wasn’t held for an exchange deal, but for the Israeli Prison Service to meet the prisoners’ demands. The number of Palestinian people who are joining the hunger strike in Gaza City is increasing, including the prisoners’ families. We have to speak up out loudly and tell the world that this hunger strike will end in only one case: once Israel addresses our living martyrs’ demands. We will never stop singing for the freedom of Palestinian detainees until the Israeli prisons are hopefully someday emptied.

 

Shahd Abusalama lives in Gaza and blogs at Palestine From My Eyes.

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5.  Al Jazeera

Thursday, 13 Oct 2011 09:48

 

Declaration of a Bantustan in Palestine  

If the PLO’s UN statehood bid succeeds, it will lead to increased Israeli control, not real independence.

 

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/10/201110610189764209.html

 

Haidar Eid

 

Israel has erected as many as 573 permanent barriers and checkpoints as well as 69 ‘flying checkpoints’  [EPA]

 

The “induced euphoria” that characterises discussions within the mainstream media around the upcoming declaration of an independent Palestinian state in September ignores the stark realities on the ground and the warnings of critical commentators. Depicting such a declaration as a “breakthrough”, and a “challenge” to the defunct “peace process” and the right-wing government of Israel, serves to obscure Israel’s continued denial of Palestinian rights while reinforcing the international community’s implicit endorsement of an apartheid state in the Middle East.

 

The drive for recognition is led by Salam Fayyad, the appointed prime minister of the Ramallah-based Palestinian Authority (PA). It is based on the decision made during the 1970s by the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) to adopt the more flexible programme of a “two-state solution”. This programme maintains that the Palestinian question, the essence of the Arab-Israeli conflict, can be resolved with the establishment of an “independent state” in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, with East Jerusalem as its capital. In this programme Palestinian refugees would return to the state of “Palestine” but not to their homes in Israel, which defines itself as “the state of Jews”. Yet “independence” does not deal with this issue, nor does it heed calls made by the 1.2 million Palestinian citizens of Israel to transform the struggle into an anti-apartheid movement, since they are treated as third-class citizens.

 

All this is supposed to be implemented after the withdrawal of Israeli forces from the West Bank and Gaza. Or will it merely be a redeployment of forces as witnessed during the Oslo period? Yet proponents of this strategy claim that independence guarantees that Israel will deal with the Palestinians of Gaza and the West Bank as one people, and that the Palestinian question can be resolved according to international law, thus satisfying the minimum political and national rights of the Palestinian people.

 

Forget about the fact that Israel has as many as 573 permanent barriers and checkpoints around the occupied West Bank, as well as an additional 69 “flying” checkpoints; and you might also want to ignore the fact that the existing “Jewish-only” colonies have annexed more than 54 per cent of the West Bank.

 

At the 1991 Madrid Conference, then Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir’s “hawkish” government did not even accept the Palestinian “right” to administrative autonomy. However, with the coming of the “dovish” Meretz/Labour government, led by Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres, the PLO leadership escaped into behind-curtains negotiations in Norway. By signing the Oslo Accords, Israel was released of the heavy burden of administering Gaza and the seven crowded cities of the West Bank. The first intifada was ended by an official – and secret – PLO decision without achieving its interim national goals, namely “freedom and independence”, and without the consent of the people the organisation purported to represent.

 

“Once declared, the future ‘independent’ Palestinian state will occupy less than 20 per cent of historic Palestine.”

This same idea of “independence” was once rejected by the PLO, because it did not address the “minimum legitimate rights” of Palestinians and because it is the antithesis of the Palestinian struggle for liberation. What is proposed in place of these rights is a state in name only. In other words, the Palestinians must accept full autonomy on a fraction of their land, and never think of sovereignty or control of borders, water reserves, and most importantly, the return of the refugees. That was the Oslo agreement and it is also the intended “Declaration of Independence”. No wonder, then, that Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu makes it clear that he “might agree to a Palestinian state through negotiations”.

 

Nor does this declaration promise to be in accordance with the 1947 UN partition plan, which granted the Palestinians only 47 per cent of historic Palestine even though they comprised over two-thirds of the population. Once declared, the future “independent” Palestinian state will occupy less than 20 per cent of historic Palestine. By creating a Bantustan and calling it a “viable state”, Israel will get rid of the burden of 3.5 million Palestinians. The PA will rule over the maximum number of Palestinians on the minimum number of fragments of land – fragments that we can call “The State of Palestine”. This “state” will be recognised by dozens of countries – South Africa’s infamous Bantustan tribal chiefs must be very envious!

 

One can only assume that the much talked-about and celebrated “independence” will simply reinforce the same role that the PA played under Oslo. Namely providing policing and security measures designed to disarm the Palestinian resistance groups. These were the first demands made of the Palestinians at Oslo in 1993, Camp David in 2000, Annapolis in 2007 and Washington last year. Meanwhile, within this framework of negotiations and demands, no commitments or obligations are imposed on Israel.

 

Just as the Oslo Accords signified the end of popular non-violent resistance of the first intifada, this declaration of independence has a similar goal, namely ending the growing international support for the Palestinian cause since Israel’s 2008-2009 winter onslaught on Gaza and its attack on the Freedom Flotilla last May.Yet it falls short of providing Palestinians with the minimal protection and security from any future Israeli attacks and atrocities. The invasion and siege of Gaza was a product of Oslo. Before the Oslo Accords were signed Israel never used its full arsenal of F-16s, phosphorous bombs, and DIME weapons to attack refugee camps in the Gaza and the West Bank. Over 1,200 Palestinians were killed from 1987-1993 during the first intifada. Israel eclipsed that number during its three-week invasion in 2009; it managed to brutally kill more than 1,443 in Gaza alone. This does not include the victims of Israel’s siege in place since 2006, which has been marked by closures and repeated Israeli attacks before the invasion of Gaza and since.

 

Ultimately, what this intended “declaration of independence” offers the Palestinian people is a mirage, an “independent homeland” that is a Bantustan-in-disguise. Although it is recognised by so many friendly countries, it stops short of providing Palestinians freedom and liberation. Critical debate – as opposed to one that is biased and demagogic – requires scrutiny of the distortions of history through ideological misrepresentations. What needs to be addressed is an historical human vision of the Palestinian and Jewish questions, a vision that never denies the rights of a people, that guarantees complete equality, and abolishes apartheid – instead of recognising a new Bantustan 17 years after the fall of apartheid in South Africa.

 

Haidar Eid is an associate professor at Al-Aqsa University in Gaza.

 

The views expressed in this article are the author’s own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera’s editorial policy.

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6.  Haaretz

Wednesday, October 12, 2011

 

Latest update 01:54 12.10.11 Palestinians should vote in Jerusalem elections

We are the only democracy in the Middle East, but for Jews alone.

 

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/palestinians-should-vote-in-jerusalem-elections-1.389494

 

By Avraham Burg

 

It was depressing to see American President Barack Obama’s weak appearance at the United Nations. It was depressing to see this talented man, who brought such great hope to the world, presenting the pitiable position of a feeble empire. It was embarrassing to see him defending positions and people whom only a few months earlier he had attacked with fury. His obsequiousness is shameful, and this weakness is a real danger to the world. Therefore anyone who wants peace cannot make do merely with accusing Obama. One cannot allow his desperation to have veto power over our hope.

 

It is strange, but we no longer have anyone on whom to rely but the head of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas. If the current Palestinian move in the UN is successful, it will be wonderful. There will be two states between whom negotiations will be conducted – on an equal footing, and not as an occupying force and the vanquished – about their future and the relations between them. But if the move fails, because Obama has become a hostage in the hands of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who himself is a hostage in the hands of the settlers and other Israeli extremists, we will be left merely to wonder what the next step will be.

 

In the past few years, there has been a change in the cast of players in the Middle East theater of the absurd. Israel has become big and clumsy, erring and intransigent. The Palestinians, or at least those among them who support the PA and the government in Ramallah, have taken over the role that was once ours: seeking peace, restraining violence, building a state, and initiating diplomacy. That is how things are in history – yesterday’s weak ones are today’s sated, decadent ones; the victim becomes the oppressor.

 

On the other hand, as has happened more than once in history, the hope for change lies with the weak. The weak side is the side that stands to gain most from change, and is therefore prepared to take great personal and political risks for change. Netanyahu is several times worse than former prime ministers – David Ben-Gurion, who established the state, or Menachem Begin who achieved peace with Egypt, or Yitzhak Rabin, who tried to follow the Oslo path and paid for it with his life. Abbas is several times better than PLO leader Yasser Arafat who preceded him. That is how things are. They are in a state of evolving and we are receding.

 

I realize that the commitment to democracy is an inseparable part of the PA’s leadership today. (It is not possible to say the same for the Israeli leadership ). I hope it is a path of no return. If the idea of realizing this aspiration in the framework of a democratic Palestinian state does not bear fruit, the Palestinians must embark on a worldwide initiative demanding that they be allowed to vote for the Knesset. Yes, Israel’s parliament.

 

This initiative must be accompanied by a non-violent civil rebellion. It will attract a great deal of attention and will cast the spotlight on the paradox of Israeli hypocrisy which claims that we are the only democracy in the Middle East but forgets to point out that we are a democracy for Jews alone. Because we are also the only colonialist conqueror that is left in the Western world.

 

In order to prove the seriousness of their intentions, the Palestinians need a pilot project, so here it is. The Palestinian leadership must ask the Arabs of East Jerusalem to get organized for the next municipal elections. Since 1967, there have been about one quarter of a million Arabs who have the right to vote in the municipality of Jerusalem alone. In protest against the offensive annexation of the eastern part of the city, they have never realized their democratic right. However this protest does not really help.

 

The time has come for the anger to be turned into a constructive step. I have no doubt that the moment that one third of the members of the city council of Israel’s capital represent the residents of East Jerusalem, everyone will start to wake up.

 

Even Netanyahu, who is always the last to wake up, will make sure to stay alert. Because Palestinian political partnership in Jerusalem means one city that belongs to all its residents. That will be very different from the disgraceful situation of discrimination that exists today. One city that belongs to all its residents is only the prologue to one state that belongs to all its citizens between the Jordan River and the sea. That is the real price of the refusal on the part of Netanyahu and the right.

 

Anyone who is not prepared to do anything to promote two states today – and who is not prepared to pay the price by evacuating the settlements – will, in the end, have to concede all of the state of Israel. That is to say, the Jewish and not so democratic state will be renounced in favor of a legitimate democratic process in which everyone between the Jordan River and the sea has one basic right – the human and civic equality to elect and to be elected. They will have at least the very same rights that are enjoyed by Obama and his new friend who knows just how to manipulate him, Netanyahu.

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7.  From Amir

[An 8-minute (about) video worth watching and hearing.  The Neturai Karta, like the Christian Zionists, have an agenda that influences their thinking.  Believing that a Jewish state will come into being only after the Mesiah comes, they oppose Zionism and its product, Israel.  However, given this, their statements on justice and right and a single democratic state here are very liberal.  Dorothy]

Neturai Karta Rabbis for Palestine. 
For One democratic State  in historic Palestine  for All
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Short Video:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29362.htm

 

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8.  ‘Today in Palestine’ October 13, 2011

http://www.theheadlines.org/11/13-10-11.shtml

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