NOVANEWS
It looked like they were taking on an army of a foreign country,” says Hafiz, noting the masked soldiers pointed their guns at the heads of those on board.
Democracy Now!
The Israeli government continues to detain a number of passengers seized in international waters Friday while trying to challenge the Israeli naval blockade on Gaza. The passengers were on two boats — one from Canada and the other from Ireland — as part of the “Freedom Waves” flotilla. Some 20 activists are believed to remain in custody after refusing to sign statements asserting they had entered Israel illegally. Flotilla organizers have accused the Israeli military of physically assaulting some of the activists and tasering at least one of them. Democracy Now! correspondent Jihan Hafiz was among those detained despite her press credentials. Hafiz had been filing daily reports for Democracy Now! from the Canadian ship named “Tahrir.” She spent three nights behind bars, where she was strip-searched and denied phone calls to relatives for 48 hours. She was finally deported Monday night and arrived in New York City just hours ago. Israel has not returned her equipment or footage. In a Democracy Now! exclusive, Hafiz joins us in our New York studio. “All of the [Israeli] commandos on all of these boats were heavily armed… It looked like they were taking on an army of a foreign country,” says Hafiz, noting the masked soldiers pointed their guns at the heads of those on board.
Rush transcript
AMY GOODMAN: The Israeli government continues to detain most of the passengers seized in international waters Friday while trying to challenge the Israeli blockade on Gaza. The passengers were on two boats—one from Canada, the other from Ireland—as part of the Freedom Waves flotilla to Gaza. Around 20 activists are believed to remain in custody after refusing to sign statements asserting they had entered Israel illegally. Flotilla organizers have accused the Israeli military of abusing the activists, with allegations of physical assault and the use of tasers.
Democracy Now! correspondent Jihan Hafiz was among those detained in the Israeli raid. She had been filing daily reports for Democracy Now! from the Canadian ship called the Tahrir. She spent three nights behind bars. She was finally deported Monday night, landed in New York just hours ago. In this Democracy Now! exclusive, Jihan joins me now in our New York studio.
Welcome to Democracy Now!
JIHAN HAFIZ: Thank you very much, Amy.
AMY GOODMAN: It’s very good to have you back. It was a battle to get you released this weekend from Israeli detention.
JIHAN HAFIZ: It’s great to be back.
AMY GOODMAN: Can you describe first what happened on Friday? Yesterday we interviewed the Egyptian reporter about what she saw. She was also on the boat. But today, Jihan, tell us what happened.
JIHAN HAFIZ: Well, they contacted us at about 1:30—excuse me, 12:30, 1:00. And we knew that they had arrived, because all the communication had shut down on our boat. The satellite phones didn’t work, as well. There was no internet. The BGAN, the satellite BGAN I’ve had to communicate with you and also to check email or to do any kind of updates, was no longer working. And so, we figured at that point that they were around. And then, of course, they made contact with us. And the Israeli navy asked us our—what the course of our—or where our course was headed. And David Heap, the member of the steering committee, said—
AMY GOODMAN: He is one of the Canadian activists.
JIHAN HAFIZ: Exactly, he’s one of the Canadian activists still in detention in Israel, waiting to be deported. They haven’t mentioned anything about his—about his case yet. But he, along with Ehab, who’s also a member of the steering committee on the Canadian boat, said that “We’re sailing toward the goodness of humanity.” And it seemed that that irritated them a number of times, because they wanted a location as to where we were sailing off to, but they continued with “We’re sailing to end the occupation. We’re sailing for a better future.” And then, from there on out, they attempted to discuss some kind of negotiation where Israeli commandos would come on board, search the boat for weapons, and then allow us to go on our journey to Gaza, which everyone on the boat, including the journalists, knew would not happen. We saw that as a pretext for them to come on, detain everyone, and forcefully take us to Ashdod, the Israeli port next to Gaza.
And, of course, this was also something the Irish delegation, which was 15 people on the—all Irish, by the way—on the Saoirse, which was—
AMY GOODMAN: Some parliamentarians, former.
JIHAN HAFIZ: Some parliamentarians, yes, including a European MEP. He was also on the boat. And—
AMY GOODMAN: That’s a member of the European Parliament.
JIHAN HAFIZ: Exactly, and a former member of the Irish rugby team, the national team there. And they also refused to consent to the Israeli army boarding—Israeli navy boarding the ship and taking it to Ashdod. Everyone agreed that there would be passive resistance if they were to come on; we would not resist them in any way, but we would take what they said, if they were to detain us, which they did. And in the end, that happened. It did take an hour for them to come to some kind of negotiation. No negotiation was reached. And they were very irritated at that point. They were circling the boat multiple times.
AMY GOODMAN: And how many ships were there?
JIHAN HAFIZ: There were three warships, and there were about 20 smaller gunboats, so four Zodiac boats. And these are boats that can maneuver very quickly and can disrupt—our boats were not as big as the warships, but they could disrupt us in the water, and they pushed us forcefully side to side, because the waters that day were rough, as a storm was coming. And so, they were intimidating both boats, going back and forth, surrounding them. There were four Zodiacs, four water cannon boats, as well as four regular gunboats. All of the commandos on all of these boats were heavily armed. I mean, obviously, they did not look like they were taking two very much smaller boats filled with unarmed people, with activists and civilians. It looked like they were taking on an army of a foreign country.
In any case, they followed the Irish boat, which decided to make a run for it. They went straight ahead, attempted to break away from the Israeli commandos. And at that point, two gunboat—two water cannons started to pour lots of water into the Irish boat, which flooded it, blew their sockets, and cut off all the electricity. And so, at that point, the Irish delegates I spoke to said they told the Israeli army, “We’re taking on water. We’re sinking. We’re going to go down at sea if you continue with the water.”
Our boat, on the other hand, was—they started to board our boat as soon as the Irish boat went down and they boarded that one. And as soon as they came on board, they were extremely hostile. They approached us as if they—as if we were armed. They had guns in everyone’s faces, on every—pointed at everyone’s heads. And I found it interesting and somewhat schizophrenic that they would say, with their guns pointed in our faces, “Don’t worry. Don’t worry. Sit down. Sit down. Get up. Don’t worry. Move to the side. Don’t worry. It will be OK.” And it’s hard to—it’s hard to believe a soldier—you don’t have his face, because all their faces are masked, black masks. It’s hard to believe someone that has their gun in your face that—not to worry, everything will be OK.
At this point, they attempt to separate us. They put the men on one side and the women on the other side. As they’re boarding, they taser David Heap, who was in the captain’s room trying to get to the back of the boat.
AMY GOODMAN: He was one of the Canadian activists.
JIHAN HAFIZ: He was one of the Canadian activists, and he was tasered on the arm.
AMY GOODMAN: You saw this?
JIHAN HAFIZ: I did, yes, in the captain’s—captain’s quarters. He was there with George, who was our captain. He’s a Greek activist. And they moved—they tried to force them out to the side, to the back of the boat where we were. They weren’t resisting. They were moving slowly, but not resisting. And I guess it wasn’t fast enough for them.
AMY GOODMAN: Were you filming any of this?
JIHAN HAFIZ: Unfortunately, at this point, I did stop filming, because I wanted to hide my chips. I knew that if any—if I had any chance to take any of this video out, I would have to hide the video—I’d have to hide the chips that I had, from the experience of the Mavi Marmara. Casey Kauffman of Al Jazeera was filming up until the commandos stepped on the boat, and as soon as they stepped on the boat, they grabbed his camera and grabbed all the other cameras on board and put them to the side. And so, most of the filming stopped as soon as they boarded the boat.
And they were very forceful with Michael Coleman, who was a delegate—the only Australian delegate. He did resist. He was not—he was not cooperating with any of their demands. They dragged him to the other side of the boat. They had guns to his back, as well as to his head, as they frisked him. And they even had lasers pointed at his chest. And this irritated a lot of people on board, including the journalists, because it seemed as though they were threatening to shoot him. And so, we were a bit concerned about having lasers pointed at people, at which point they put it down. But they detained us and kept us all on the top—all on the top of the boat, until there were requests made to go down, because it was very cold heading back toward Ashdod.
AMY GOODMAN: So, you’re taken. You’re taken to Ashdod. There, did you—what else did you see? What happened to the activists there?
JIHAN HAFIZ: Well, we knew that, upon arriving, because when they did board our boat—and I—the first time I see the video of what happened is of course the Israeli video, because we don’t have any of our images. So we were getting—
AMY GOODMAN: You don’t have them because…?
JIHAN HAFIZ: Because they took them from us, and they would not let me come back to the United States with them.
And I found it interesting that when they boarded the boat, they had some Israeli commandos with cameras strapped to their helmets. And so, they were walking around filming us. We asked them for water, because there were some people who were dehydrated and who desperately needed water before we arrived at the port. And at that point, we didn’t know if we could have water at the port, as well. So they allowed us to drink water. And whenever anyone attempted to drink, they had the cameras in people’s faces, and the activists were saying this is going to be part of their propaganda machine to show that they were very cordial toward the activists and to the reporters they had detained.
And as soon as we got to the port in Ashdod, as soon as we got there, they already had an army of people ready to greet us. They had people—multiple soldiers with television cameras. It seemed as though they had a medical facility there. They had three huge vans with—it seemed like surveillance—surveillance machines, where they’d put our things through. We were escorted off the boat. And, of course, before we got off the boat, everyone warned, if they attempt to help you, just don’t—carry your own things out, and help yourself off the boat, because they have cameras facing our way. And it was perceived that they would use this video as propaganda. So, of course, as everyone is getting off the boat, they have cameras in everyone’s faces, cameras at their things. They even taped our passports, which I found to be shocking, because these are our international—these are our travel documents. And they moved us—they brought us to this warehouse, where they had—
AMY GOODMAN: Did they hurt any of the activists getting onto the bus?
JIHAN HAFIZ: Yes, they did. After going through strip searches with myself and some of the female activists—
AMY GOODMAN: You were strip-searched?
JIHAN HAFIZ: Yes, I was strip-searched, because they—I tried to hide these chips, I mentioned. And I hid them in my underwear, because I didn’t think—I knew they were going to find them, but I attempted to see if it would work or not. And so, they did a thorough search [with] my clothes on initially, and then they used a metal detector, and they detected the metal in these chips. And at that point, they asked me to take—to remove all my clothing, and they did a very thorough strip search of my body to see if there was anything else on it. And this also happened to two of the Irish women who were also on the boat. They found chips in their bras. So anything they found that they suspected was—I’m not sure what it was, but they would immediately strip-search you and take you to board the bus.
And when they boarded me on the bus, I did witness extreme violence toward Michael Coleman, who I must say was the most defiant of that day that we were taken.
AMY GOODMAN: He was the Australian activist.
JIHAN HAFIZ: Yes, of course, he was the Australian activist. And while I was sitting down, I could hear him arguing with them: “You kidnapped us. You’re pirates. You violated international law. You’re lawless.” And I think the more he would say these things that would irritate them, the more violent they would become.
AMY GOODMAN: What happened with the flags on the boats?
JIHAN HAFIZ: Oh, this was interesting with the flags. We actually—the activists didn’t put up the Palestinian flag until the day—until Friday, when everyone presumed that the boat would be taken by the Israelis.
AMY GOODMAN: Before that, it was Canadian-flagged and Irish-flagged?
JIHAN HAFIZ: It was, yes, Canadian and Irish flags on both the boats. And then, of course, we put up Palestinian flags as we attempted to head into Gaza.
AMY GOODMAN: The activists put up the flags—
JIHAN HAFIZ: Yes, the activists put up those flags.
AMY GOODMAN: —on your—in both?
JIHAN HAFIZ: On the Canadian boat and on the Saoirse, which was—you know, we very celebrated because it was—we were about 45 nautical miles from Gaza, and it seemed almost—there was almost jubilation that this is possible it could go through. And of course, as the Israelis—Israeli navy boarded the boat, immediately after putting us in our corners and searching us, they tore down the Palestinian flags, and they put up the Israeli flags. It seemed to me as almost a sign of conquer, as conqueror, and heading into their port. When they attempted to do this with the Irish boat, however, the Irish refused to have that happen. They shielded their poles and said, “You will not remove any flags from our ship. You will take it into the port with the flags on it.” And for whatever reason, the Irish—excuse me, the Israeli soldiers on their boat listened to them, and they rolled into Ashdod without any problems, without any—with the Palestinian and the Irish flag on their boat.
AMY GOODMAN: So, one boat flew in—came in with the Israeli flags.
JIHAN HAFIZ: Yes.
AMY GOODMAN: And the Irish boat came in with the Palestinian flags.
JIHAN HAFIZ: Yes.
AMY GOODMAN: So then you’re brought into detention. We were making calls nonstop at this point for you as a journalist, accredited. Well, you have two press IDs.
JIHAN HAFIZ: Yes, I do. I have one from Democracy Now! I’m also credentialed by the U.S. TV Senate Radio Gallery. It’s a U.S. government-issued ID. So I don’t just have—
AMY GOODMAN: Because you covered the Senate and the House in Washington.
JIHAN HAFIZ: Because I—exactly. When I worked in Washington, I covered the—and that’s usually the—if you work in Washington, that’s the government-issued ID that gets you into the State Department, the White House, the Pentagon. So it’s an authentic—it’s a U.S.—it’s a U.S. government-issued ID.
AMY GOODMAN: And you’re a U.S. citizen.
JIHAN HAFIZ: And I am a U.S. citizen.
And they took us into this area to process us, which we later found out was court. It wasn’t court. It was someone sitting across a desk telling you you have to sign a document that you illegally came into Ashdod and that you violated an international siege on Gaza. And everyone refused this, because we were kidnapped in international waters and forced into Ashdod. It was never our destination, to begin with. And I told him that I’m actually—I’m not an activist, I’m here as a journalist covering for Democracy Now!. I mentioned both my credentials. And he said to me that the Israeli government does not see me, does not see my reporting, orDemocracy Now!‘s, as reporting, as journalism. It’s, to them, activism. And so, they did not designate me—
AMY GOODMAN: Journalism is activism.
Ads